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PostSubject: Alsatian Shepalutes   25/3/2010, 17:12

Originally posted by NorthAmericanShepalutes1 on February 22, 2005.



Hi Lois,
I find this breed so interesting because I have a ---- Shepherd and this is not the same thing, yet very similar. I also had a Newfoundland, and this breed sounds like the best of both. That is why it interests me so much. Newf's are sweet but protective as far as children and their owners.

I can only tell you that a Rare Breed, in all honesty is usually a better breed of a dog. The breeders watch for certain things and weed out the problems. Also the breeders are there for you, if something if any questions occur.

I would like to see what I am looking at, before I would want to get a pup. That is why I wish there was someone closer.

I am training My ----- to be an Asst's Dog as well as a companion. I know there are a lot of people who would love to learn more about the alsatian shepalute breed also.

Is there any one close to my area?

I guess you can tell I love big dogs. Also, I am constatly being asked by so many people who have children "what kind of dog should they get?" That is another thing I find fascinating about the alsatian shepalutes. They would make good family dogs, very gentle but watchfull.

I hope I am right in my thinking.
Which brings me back to the same question, how can I meet these guys.
I am open to any suggestions. I think you have a great breed here and more people should be made aware of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Alsatian Shepalutes   25/3/2010, 17:13

Originally posted by NorthAmericanShepalutes1 on February 22, 2005.




good morning xxx.

I felt all that when I went into the ------ web pages.

I felt that the breed lost its focal point.

It was amazing how fast that breed grew.

When a company grows that fast there are major problems... major..and no one can take a hold on it.. it is out of control. Like a suenuame.(spelling bad)

I do believe that the ------ as a breed will come together, but they really need some guidance, they need some good bylaws and they need to get into that standard of theirs and check out what will not work.

you can help the breed but you need to have the will power and the money to do that and the place, (large acreage and kennels), and then you need to have patience as it will take three generations just to tone up what the ---- breed is all about. (which to me is not written in stone and should be)
then you must go the distance and breed (out and in) for many years so that the genes are tight.

There are some major discrepancies with that breeds standards. There are some standards in the ---- breed that just will not work.

the first thing that they (together as a breed club) must do is to figure out who and what the ------ is... is it a companion dog or a working breed? i am sorry but you can not have both as a single goal.

you can have companion dog as a second goal because every one knows a working dog can be a companion dog, (with training modification) but a working dog must be able to do the job. A Giant dog like the breed standards calls for cannot perform as a working dog should.
not if one wants the breed to do ----- sport or guard duty work.

an assistance dog can be number one 1 in their goal if that's what they want and then be a companion dog as well, because companion dogs can do that type of work.

I thought that the ------ was a working dog?

so that is the very first thing i would suggest those folks come together and decide. Where do they want the ------ breed to go? Who is the ------?

I would be glad to help, but a lot of folks (excpecially dog people) are a proud independent group and oh, so, do not want to ask for help. besides every dog person knows nobody else knows as much as they do. ha ha

But if you wanted to stay with the -------'s and help them, then you should join the breed club and raise your hand, ask questions and get answers that wake others up.

I have found that pretending to be stupid and asking questions can steer folks who believe have more power (and brains) in the organization, to think and come up with what you had thought about in the first place.
Then they believe that they came up with the answer and they get to pump themselves full of pride and everyone looks to them with admiration, but the job gets done.

Life is tough but if you treat the worlds people like dog’s then you can steer them in good directions if your heart is good. Folks now a days run off “me, me, me”. And they need a whole lot of praise ... ha ha..

So hang in there. Don’t judge folks (especially if you have never met them) and do what you can to help without bad thoughts. Bad thoughts end up harming you.

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PostSubject: Re: Alsatian Shepalutes   25/3/2010, 17:14

Originally posted by NorthAmericanShepalutes1 on February 22, 2005.



Everyone is coming together and making a whole new registry, the -------- registry.
This is what is going on now, and ------ will eventually be phased out. I can't say that is what will happen, but that is what is starting to happen. This is why I see the breed going into a bad place.

As I told you, I had a ------- before they were know as -------. I know what these dogs are capable of. They are tough in the beginning, but they are as loyal as loyal can be. My ---- that passed, could read me like no tomorrow, and when she passed, I was destroyed.

I left the breed and went to a ------------. I have nothing bad to say about those guys except that again, the breeders got crazy and were not watching what they were producing. My ----------, was of ----------- Descent and she was a real sweetheart. When she died, I swore I was done, no more dogs.

Anyway, I was helping my friend find a --------------- and I started to read about theses dogs called ----------. Next thing I knew it was the same dogs that I had been broken hearted over.

It took me a while, but I found the breeder whom I felt did the most for the breed. We have become friendly and I respect her a lot. I will go and handle her dogs for her, when it comes time for the shows.

That is when I saw the Shepalutes. I have to say, no one put the breed down, they have no reason to. They are just so familiar to the look of the --------, that is how it got brought up.

I know what is going to happen to the -----------s, and as I told you, that is why I am so interested in Alsatian Shepalutes. They have what I look for in a dog.

I have a female -------- and they want me to breed so badly, but I am not a breeder. I have trained her myself and I am very proud of her. My other ---------- is just a big lug that I guess you can call a throw away --------, but from the minute I saw ----, I wanted to give ------ a home. Now --- is with me, and this is ----s forever home. We love ----- to death, and I just cry when I see that ----- doesn't even know what to do with a toy. I send ---- to ------ on Saturdays to get people Socialization. ---- needs to learn that people are not going to hurt ----. It has done ---- a world of good.

So, now you know my story. As for ---------sport, that is a special training and it is not for every breed. I am slightly familar with it, but I can't see the ------ doing something like that.

As for your breed, I really can't see them doing anything like that either.

The Alsatian Shepalute will become a wonderful breed, mostly because they are breed to be a Companion Dog. That is what I am looking for, when the time comes, not that I hope it happens soon, but I like to find out about things like this.
That is why I find them interesting.
I was training my ----as an ----- dog, but I put her on hold, when I got the rejected ------. I do ---- Work with her, and I am very happy and proud of her.

This is the kind of conversation I wanted to have with you, so I hope you can understand why I didn't want to do it over a Group Thing.

As time goes by, as long as you keep the Shepalute a Rare Breed, you will have an amazing breed. I can hear that when you talk about them. I can see it in the breed.
I would like to stay in touch with you, as I do want to learn more and more about this breed.
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PostSubject: Re: Alsatian Shepalutes   25/3/2010, 17:15

Originally posted by NorthAmericanShepalutes1 on February 22, 2005.



Thank you for confiding in me. I will not post your letters in any sites so that anyone would know who you are or what rare breed you have...

--------- and I ‘bout started our breeds about the same time. ----- rushed into it. ----- could stay in with the akc crowd with ----- breed without akc knowing it and I hear ------ did so, (so I hear). i hear.

i do not like to spread rumors, i will say that is what i read on ------‘s own web sites. so i guess i can take ----- s word for it.

------ breeds for a working dog.

A working dog has lots of energy (drive) and is suppose to be bred to do the job the founder or creator wanted it to do. ---- states that --- -------'s do it all. For who a proff. handler maybe. That is impossible. As i stated a working dog is a working dog. that is why i classify this breed (the Alsatian Shepalute) as a companion dog. It was meant to only be a companion dog.

I realize that all breeds can be trained(modified behavioral training) into companion dogs but as i have stated in my book, people who have never been into dogs and who have come to me from the neighbor hood, (homeowners) had dogs that they wanted or needed me to help train. They searched for the right dogs to fit into thier home-owner neighborhoods.

These homeowners had several choices:
working dogs who herd, draft dogs, toy/companion dogs (who they mostly chose) and the hounds,

but some of us wanted a large companion dog. Oh, we liked to do stuff, but not on an "all out" show/trial type business, heck, we hardly have the time.

So I had a choice, to go ahead and create such a breed that everyone wanted so that they wouldn’t need to bring the dog to training classes or so they could train them easily and not fight with that bird dog or terrier to make him into a companion dog.
Or, my other choice was to breed a companion german shepherd, of which the american show breeders are in route to doing.

Well, to me, that is not what the breed standards calls for. The breed standards say that the german shepherd is a working dog and to me that breed must full-fill that assignment.

that is why the folks into shutzhund do not breed with the American german shepherd dog, because he has lost drive. he is NOT a german shepherd any longer but an american shepherd. more of a companion dog.

now that is fine with me... i love both dogs but i for one can not handle the schutzhund dogs energy any longer. I also saw many, many ; and may i say many.... shutzhund breeders trying to sell the fact that thier dogs make great companion dogs, yeah,, for the proffessional handler!!!!

I am not saying this because i do not admire the (german) german shepherd, but i do not think it very nice to sell a full driven shutzhund g.s.d to a normal everyday family. that is wrong. some gsd breeders of the correct gsd do tell the homeowners that thiers is a working dog. “dah? what does that mean”? Most normal everyday people do not know what a working dog is...

Any ways, I have no bones about ---- or any of those folks who love thier ----'s. There dogs are a lot like mine because ----- put the malamute in ---- lines so i hear.
i also hear ----- put wolf in ---- lines. now i do not know what ----- put in her lines but --- dogs look an awful lot like mine. some say that ---- got a hold of some of mine. but it wouldn’t matter if --- did.

see hyperness and drive is extreamily dominate!!!! you can not get it out with out many, many years and do you want it out of a working dog?

the first thing one has to do when they create a new dog is go to the black board and figure out what you want in the breed.

my opinion is that ---- thought --- knew what ---- wanted and maybe --- did, but for what i read --- seems highly upset about --- breed. I could have gone the fast route and let others breed my new breed but i refused to. i knew what would happen, oh well, i feel bad about the breed -----'s if they are not going the way --- wanted them to go, but who is to blame?

there is much, much more to being a founder than just hurry up and do it.

i didn’t addvertize much in the beginning because i didn’t want folks to get involved until the gene pool was set. and then i knew that i would need to be a quality control inspector (so to speak) over all puppies and the next thing would need to be the breed club. The breed club must have strict rules and by laws and many folks wont like the way the founder goes about not registering some and only registering others, but it is the founders responsability to hold on to what she/he has done and to ride the wave.

I prayed a lot and i have spent an awful lot of money getting these dogs to be what i wanted, but i also had a clear picture as to what i wanted. I stood the course.

i wanted to make a dog that the average everyday housewife could handle. I knew that the german, german shepherd was not that dog. He is absolutly the best at what he was bred for, but to say that he could make a great family dog is wrong. Just ask the public. We know. He is a working dog and a darn good one! He can do anything! But to ask a bird dog or a working dog, or a herding dog, or a terrier to be a calm personal companion dog is wrong in my belief. Unless you are going to be happy with the way he is. Working dogs have the drive and work non stop, bird dogs have that drive and find birds constantly, herding dogs have that drive and cant get enough, and terriers, well ha ha we all know those cute barking digging happy terriers! Not what I wanted.

I have seen too many fine breeds being bred as companion dogs and then the work that that breed must do is weakened. That great drive is gone. That line of dogs being bred as a family pet can not hold up to the dogs in the trials.

now i am not saying a working or herding or bird dog can not be someone’s companion dog, it can not be done, heck i could do it and i have.. i have trained many of those dogs to settle down and behave. And it takes a lot out of a trainer/handler. But i do not want to change who or what the dog is. I do not want to inhibit the dogs natural instincts, I just want a loving slow companion dog and that is my goal. So why didn’t I chose the golden retriever?

He he I thought about it long and hard as those goldens have brains and can figure stuff out just like those shepherds. Some of those goldens have very nice bones (structure and conformation).

Let’s take a look at the goldens
A long time ago this retriever was used for its nose, and for retrieving and it was equally at home on land or in the water. Yep its true! there was not much interest in this dog as it was rather rare and many hunters here in America had the other breeds of hunting dogs.
This Golden started out as a flat coated retriever that had a different color. It then branched off into the yellow retriever and then finally the golden. Many of those flat black coated retrievers are doing one heck of a job in the hunting and sporting field trials, and man do I see an awful lot of them in the rings!! but the golden? Well they were bred as family pets and they got larger as a whole. Now I am sure there are still goldens out there who are working in the field, but they are smaller and thinner than the goldens you see in everybodies homes. I see a division in the types, I have also worked with both types and the large boned goldens didn’t need as much training. Same with the labrador’s that I have worked with. In my opinion there is a division in the labs as well.

So many folks do not hunt any more and folks want companion dogs. So I have seen and heard the Labrador groups telling folks that their large labs are the old English labs..

Its not just the shepherds that are dividing, its evolution in process. The dog breeds have to change for the people who keep them. Not many hunters any more. Not many folks have 100 acreas now-a-days.

Well, I have to go and feed my husband he just pulled into the driveway!
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